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This is totally a post about nothing except The Great Gatsby, and you should PROBABLY IGNORE IT.

1. Did you know that there is a Great Gatsby Game? Because I didn't until [livejournal.com profile] two_if_by_sea told me about it the other night, and I must tell you, my life is enriched. Apparently it was adapted for NES at some point and some guy has put it up online, and it is...oh my god, you guys, it is GLORIOUSLY RIDICULOUS. You have to fight the eyeglasses! You throw your hat at waiters and dancing girls! AHAHAHAHAHAHA FOREVER, ETC.

2. The first time I read Gatsby, I was in 10th grade and had a terrible terrible terrible terrible English teacher. Which, actually, despite being lucky enough to be in an awesome school district, I had a whole spate of terrible English teachers in high school--including my senior year AP Lit teacher, who made us draw pictures of our feelings while we were reading Crime and Punishment, because that's totally an appropriate way to teach Dostoevsky to overachieving 18 year olds, and no, of course I'm not still angry--but I digress. My point is, I read Gatsby in this class with this English teacher who couldn't have gotten me excited about winning the lottery, let alone about the 1920s, but god, I fell in love with it anyway. And I know that makes me a cliche, and I know about all the things that are wrong with it, but I can't ever let go of being 16 and awake at four in the morning reading and rereading, "He smiled understandingly-much more than understandingly. It was one of those rare smiles with a quality of eternal reassurance in it, that you may come across four or five times in life. It faced--or seemed to face--the whole external world for an instant, and then concentrated on you with an irresistible prejudice in your favor. It understood you just as far as you wanted to be understood, believed in you as you would like to believe in yourself."

3. And actually that's what I want to say here, really, about Gatsby--Fitzgerald set out to write the Great American Novel, and then he kind of did. He edited and reworked and rewrote and reshaped that book to death, and say what you will about ego and hubris and the wrong reasons to be writing (and believe me, when it comes to Fitzgerald, I could say a lot), but there's something to that kind of determination, even if it's fucked over and fucked up. I think everyone has that book they read that made them want to read more, made them want to write, and for all it's a cliche Gatsby's mine. Which, of course, is why I can never manage to get past the outlining stages of the Gatsby AU I want to write in every fandom I encounter--my love for this book is stupid and probably unjustified and all consuming, and I can't ever bear to mess with it, even in homage, even for fun.

4. SO READ THIS BOOK IF YOU HAVEN'T YET, GUYS, THAT IS MY POINT. There are problems with it and it's okay if you read it and hate it, but just...you know, just read it. It's this and East of Eden for me (yes, I know you all know that, yes, I know I insert East of Eden in everything, yes, shut up), and this morning I heard these two high school kids bitching that they weren't even gonna bother with the Cliff's notes, and it hurt me. It hurt me in my soul.

5. Have some Kate Beaton for your troubles! Goddamn, but I laughed at these this morning.







ETA, BECAUSE [livejournal.com profile] weatherfront IS A BULLY WHO HATES THE THINGS I LOVE:

Date: 2011-02-21 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sorrynotsorry.livejournal.com
I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY BUT ♥ BECAUSE MY LOVE FOR GATSBY IS SHAMELESS AND ALL-ENCOMPASSING.

Date: 2011-02-21 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
SO SHAMELESS AND SO ALL-ENCOMPASSING, THIS IS A LOVE THAT WE SHARE :D

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Date: 2011-02-21 09:14 pm (UTC)
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Fitzgerald set out to write the Great American Novel, and then he kind of did.

TGG is my favorite book of all time, and that is pretty much my thoughts exactly: he wrote the Great American Novel. This line will always stay with me:

"They were careless people, Tom and Daisy-They smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back to their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made"

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Date: 2011-02-21 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sour-idealist.livejournal.com
Wow, I just read The Great Gatsby for the first time a couple of weeks ago, and... wow. It stuck with me, it still is sticking with me. Not in a can't-stop-thinking-about-it way, it just sort of... permeates into everything (which actually ended up at some absurdly inane places as it was still in the back of my head when I sat down to write fanfiction, but). The bit at the end, the very last couple of paragraphs, sums up so much of what I think about the lovely myths of this country, even all this time later. And I don't think I have ever read such a perfect description of decadence, capturing the glamor and the sickening side of it both at once. It isn't my One True and Overwhelming Great Novel (there I went for the even greater cliche of Holden freakin' Caulfield) but it definitely lingers at the back of my brain.

I'm sorry to be so incoherent; as you've probably guessed, I have not even come close to sorting out my feelings about this book yet.

Date: 2011-02-21 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
Oh, dude, no, your incoherence fills me with glee, because OH MAN I REMEMBER THE COMEDOWN FROM READING THIS BOOK, that like, month-long period where I kept reading into the symbolism of everything and dfhdshfds. HOORAY FOR YOU, I AM SO EXCITED FOR YOU ETC.

Also, oh my god Holden Caulfield, I wanted to like Catcher in the Rye so much, but I think I read it too late? Like, by the time I picked it up I was past the point in my life where that like...quality of emotion was part and parcel of my day, and I could not relate properly. I FEEL LIKE I WAS CHEATED.

One of these days I'm going to do a post that is just book recs. ONE OF THESE DAYS.

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Date: 2011-02-21 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] regicidaldwarf.livejournal.com
I always feel like such a fraud when I start talking about Great Literature. Because, I mean, I'm a fucking English major - I've read some seriously pretentious shit, and even liked a whole bunch of it. But the books that really get into my soul are fantasy novels like Ellen Kushner's Swordspoint, which is about sword fighting and dysfunctional boys in love. The most pretentious I get about books I love is pretty much Jane Austen. Which is pretty clichéd, I admit.

Date: 2011-02-21 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
Ahahaha, I have no feelings about Great Literature as a whole, because I was a terrible terrible English major. I just, you know...I just like shit, right, and sometimes it's Great Literature and sometimes it's like, Night Watch and Adverbs and the newest Greg Iles novel :D

Date: 2011-02-21 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dremiel.livejournal.com
NGL I have purchased and given away so many copies of Swordspoint it's not even rational! Honestly, I had a big stack when it was out of print and still tend to buy used copies when I see them. I think the count is over 20 now!

iow - yeah, good story!

Date: 2011-02-21 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oaktree89.livejournal.com
Those Gatsby comics get me every time XD Love Kate Beaton.

Date: 2011-02-21 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
She is just made of win, is she not?

Date: 2011-02-21 10:00 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-22 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
:D :D :D

Date: 2011-02-21 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dremiel.livejournal.com
Even writing n pages about the symbolism of the girls in twin yellow dresses cannot dim my love for this story!

Date: 2011-02-22 01:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
THAT IS BECAUSE IT IS SO LOVEABLE I DON'T CARE WHAT ANYONE SAYS :D :D :D

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Date: 2011-02-21 10:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] summertea.livejournal.com
i feel like at this point the tag should no longer be "cathy is secretly judging me" and instead should be "cathy is not so secretly judging me" hahahaha.

Date: 2011-02-22 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
Cathy is always judging me, secretly and not secretly, publicly and not publicly. CATHY IS MY PERSONAL JUDGMENT COURT ALWAYS.

Date: 2011-02-21 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surreal-44.livejournal.com
I wish I could share in your glee of Gatsby, but alas...it is the book I read in school that I loathed the most. I should probably reread it.

This got me thinking however: is there any "great" literature out there that isn't also depressing as hell?

My favorite book in the universe, ever is Little Women. -scuttles off in shame-

I read it when I was seven, fell in love and I haven't gotten it over yet. I still have my very first copy of that book. It's worn and battered, but it's like coming home when I open it.

I know there are plenty of flaws in it and modern women might find it misogynist, but there are some beautiful passages in it that I can't let go of.

Feel free to disdain me. -grin-

Date: 2011-02-22 01:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
SO LONG AS YOU HAVE READ IT, I AM SATISFIED :D

Date: 2011-02-21 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] two-if-by-sea.livejournal.com
ALSO I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT IT IS APPARENTLY A PSEUDO-RETRO GAME, as in they only made it to look old and it isn't really old and anyway I LOVE GREAT GATSBY, LET'S JUST ALL AGREE

OLD AS BALLS (which i just typed as gold as balls as;dfkj that works too).

Date: 2011-02-22 01:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bookshop.livejournal.com

OLD AS BALLS.

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Date: 2011-02-21 11:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] chaoticallyclev.livejournal.com
I think the Great Gatsby was one of the only books I actually read all the way through in my American Literature class. Which, unfortunately, we read around the same time as his short story The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, which was also around the time the movie came out, so we had to go see it as a fieldtrip thing, and there is nothing worse than 100 high schoolers in a theater watching that movie. it just-- was bad. it was bad, and I hate benjamin button, which gets tied in with my thoughts to Gatsby, and then I just make this face :/. because then we watched the movie version of the great gatsby and it was-- just-- anyway. I no longer remember the book. besides like, the plot. I don't remember the writing, I suppose would be more accurate.

..I just gave myself a lot of really bad flashbacks. Eleventh grade...oh man. Anyway. we did do fun things centered around the twenties though! we got to have this party and dress up and do skits. so. that was cool.


FORGOT TO SAY HOW PERFECT THOSE COMICS ARE, THOUGH. jeex. got distracted by everything else, but ha THE RANDOMLY APPEARING CHILD! WHO NO ONE THOUGH ABOUT PRETTY MUCH EVER!
Edited Date: 2011-02-21 11:55 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-22 01:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
Augh, dude, I cannot even talk about Benjamin Button, I could not even see the movie because...because augh, Benjamin Button D:

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Date: 2011-02-21 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foes-of-reality.livejournal.com
I ♥ YOU SO HARD FOR THIS. EPIC GATSBY LOVE FTW!

Also, that game is fantastic. In a completely and utterly ludicrous way. But still. I am so, so amused. =D

Those quotes you pointed out (in the post and especially the one from the comment) are so brilliant. God, I have the urge to go re-read the book right now. But really I should be reading countless pages of articles about primordialism and rational choice theory. D:

And those comics. Am I more amused than I should be? Perhaps.

Date: 2011-02-22 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
ALL OF THE ♥ FOR GATSBY THE END :D :D :D

Date: 2011-02-22 12:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] weatherfront.livejournal.com
GATSBY AND EAST OF EDEN FLAJ;ELkjfa;lkdjlkre;r oh my god Jizzy if we were not already friends I would never want to be friends with you lfaj;lekjr;akj;r I'm sorry I can't have a logical argument with you on why that makes me feel the way it does but IT DOES

GATSBY AND EAST OF EDEN

Also baby I don't think that game was ever an actual game, unfortunately... and it is WAY TOO SHORT isn't it :'( lololol did you crack up at the ending too

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Date: 2011-02-22 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gyzym.livejournal.com
I feel like your entire message on this post is "LOOK AT ALL MY KATE BEATON ICONS" and defending East of Eden against TERRIBLE HARBINGERS OF HATE

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Date: 2011-02-22 01:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] apples
My lit teacher for Gatsby also sucked. She went on and on about how the East and West Eggs are breasts.

Date: 2011-02-22 01:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] foxxcub.livejournal.com
The last will never. not. make. me. lol.

Date: 2011-02-22 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizzy-someone.livejournal.com
He smiled understandingly-much more than understandingly. It was one of those rare smiles with a quality of eternal reassurance in it, that you may come across four or five times in life. It faced--or seemed to face--the whole external world for an instant, and then concentrated on you with an irresistible prejudice in your favor. It understood you just as far as you wanted to be understood, believed in you as you would like to believe in yourself.

Oh, Nick. HE IS JUST. SO, SO, SO IN LOVE, POOR BABY. shut up I own my shallowness

Date: 2011-02-22 04:48 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shiroi-ten.livejournal.com
THIS IS AN ODD COINCIDENCE . There is an English teacher in HS who thank fully did not suck, and showed my friends and I that game, which we revisited this weekend. JUST YESTERDAY. I keep on dying on the train part. >:( AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT EAST OF EDEN. ajdgkljad g;\0/\0/\0/

Date: 2011-02-22 06:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nianeyna.livejournal.com
YOU SHOULD TALK TO MY TWIN SISTER BECAUSE SHE LOVES THE GREAT GATSBY SO MUCH THAT SHE ACTUALFAX WEARS CLOCHES SOMETIMES. MYSELF I NEVER QUITE... GOT IT... D: SORRY.

Date: 2011-02-22 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celemie.livejournal.com
I absolutely ADORE that game! I found it last week and have been playing nonstop... it is a problem...

I never loved TGG, even though I desperately wanted to. I love the 20s, and post-WWI angst ridden stuff (Isherwood!!!!), but I just couldn't make myself care about Gatsby.
I DID fall in love with Nick, though! I just love him!!! And his hooking up with random New Yorkers! ♥
But then my English teacher was just horrible about him, and the book in general, and *grump*
I've been meaning to reread it though, and I brought it with me from home, so I probably actually will...

THOSE COMICS ARE MAGICAL! Love her!

Date: 2011-02-22 07:44 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] gentle-thorns.livejournal.com
I loved The Great Gatsby but I'm a little afraid to reread it in case it doesn't hold up as well now that I'm older. (I read it at 17 and I'm 25 now and in a very different place emotionally and mentally)

I read The Beautiful and the Damned in January and found it really hard going. I'm still not sure whether I enjoyed it or not.

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