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Right, so, before I say anything here, I'd like to make the following disclaimer: this is not about wank, and I'm going to be heartbroken if it becomes wank anyway. I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad, I'm not doing the fandom politics thing, and I'm not making this post in order to single anyone out in that passive-aggressive "I'm talking about it like it's all over the place but REALLY IT IS ONE PERSON AND I HOPE THEY FEEL SHITTY ABOUT IT" way people do sometimes. There's this fantastic sixth grader that I'm lucky enough to call my baby brother; if I was interested in playing those kinds of games, I'd go with him to middle school. This is more...well. This is more like the kind of post I'd make if, while traipsing about the internet, I discovered that a large majority of fandom was using the word "green" to describe the color blue. And, as always, if I've gotten something wrong within, I encourage and welcome corrections with open arms.
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So, about a year ago, my friend
iambickilometer made a post called Five+ Ways Being Transgender in Fandom Really Sucks, and Why I Stick With It Anyway. It is an incredible post, and everyone should read it; it's concise and clear and moving, and you will unquestionably learn from it. I know I did, when I read it last April. Iambic says a number of things within that post that are worth reading and rereading until you know them by heart, and I'm not going to discuss most of them here--he's done a far better job of saying it all than I ever could, and he speaks from a plane of experience that I've never traveled on. You should go read his words, you guys--read and reread, digest, take to heart.
There's just one thing that I'm going to say, because I've been seeing it everywhere for months and months now and I think it's just because folks don't know: that stuff that's usually called genderswap fic? Guys, it's pretty much always sexswap.
These are two definitions Iambic included in his post; he pointed out there that they are his own, because these are words that can mean different things to different people. His understanding of these terms lines up with mine, so I am using them here; I humbly second his request not to challenge these definitions unless they are unintentionally offensive.
To put it another way: gender's about identity. It's about who you are as a person, not what body parts you do or do not have. So stories where, I don't know, Arthur from Inception wakes up in a female body, or Kono from Hawaii 5-0 wakes up in a male body? Unless you're also addressing a shift in gender identity (which, by the way, is something I personally would love to read), these are sexswap stories, not genderswap stories. It's not a question of which sounds better, or which is clearer, or even of fandom vernacular--it is, really and truly, a case of one being a misnomer, and the other being correct.
I have this life philosophy, you guys, about taking in as much as you can, about viewing every situation you find yourself in as a potential learning experience. When I got into fandom originally, I thought it was going to be a place to stretch my writing muscles, a place to teach myself to write by writing. Instead, I discovered more than I ever thought I'd know about other people's histories, cultures, identities and life experiences. I'm a cisgendered, bisexual Jewish girl from a city on the edge of a once-burnt river; I don't know really know shit about shit, and I don't claim to know. But I know more than I would have, is the thing, and it's because people like Iambic have taken the time and energy and inherent risk to tell me.
And I say all this to make the following point: this post is not about shame. It's not about making you feel bad about stuff you've written or thought about writing; you're not going to find me in your comments, typing in RAGECAPS and making angry faces. I'm not interested in policing you or pushing you or making choices for you--that's not who I am, and it's not what I'm about. Rather, this post is about awareness. It's about broadening horizons, and learning something you maybe didn't know before. It's about the moment I had, reading Iambic's post last April and realizing I'd had some things wrong; it's about sharing that moment with you guys, both for the sake respecting the experience of others and for the sake of accuracy, for the sake of our own integrity as writers and readers and artists.
In conclusion: we're a community of fans, and whether they've been scripted and acted or inked and bound, we know better than anyone that words have power and weight and meaning. So let's use them correctly, yeah? Let's say what we mean to say. ♥
Okay? Okay.
So, about a year ago, my friend
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There's just one thing that I'm going to say, because I've been seeing it everywhere for months and months now and I think it's just because folks don't know: that stuff that's usually called genderswap fic? Guys, it's pretty much always sexswap.
These are two definitions Iambic included in his post; he pointed out there that they are his own, because these are words that can mean different things to different people. His understanding of these terms lines up with mine, so I am using them here; I humbly second his request not to challenge these definitions unless they are unintentionally offensive.
sex: a classification of body dependent upon reproductive organs and hormones associated with reproduction and development.
gender: the way a person relates to their sex.
To put it another way: gender's about identity. It's about who you are as a person, not what body parts you do or do not have. So stories where, I don't know, Arthur from Inception wakes up in a female body, or Kono from Hawaii 5-0 wakes up in a male body? Unless you're also addressing a shift in gender identity (which, by the way, is something I personally would love to read), these are sexswap stories, not genderswap stories. It's not a question of which sounds better, or which is clearer, or even of fandom vernacular--it is, really and truly, a case of one being a misnomer, and the other being correct.
I have this life philosophy, you guys, about taking in as much as you can, about viewing every situation you find yourself in as a potential learning experience. When I got into fandom originally, I thought it was going to be a place to stretch my writing muscles, a place to teach myself to write by writing. Instead, I discovered more than I ever thought I'd know about other people's histories, cultures, identities and life experiences. I'm a cisgendered, bisexual Jewish girl from a city on the edge of a once-burnt river; I don't know really know shit about shit, and I don't claim to know. But I know more than I would have, is the thing, and it's because people like Iambic have taken the time and energy and inherent risk to tell me.
And I say all this to make the following point: this post is not about shame. It's not about making you feel bad about stuff you've written or thought about writing; you're not going to find me in your comments, typing in RAGECAPS and making angry faces. I'm not interested in policing you or pushing you or making choices for you--that's not who I am, and it's not what I'm about. Rather, this post is about awareness. It's about broadening horizons, and learning something you maybe didn't know before. It's about the moment I had, reading Iambic's post last April and realizing I'd had some things wrong; it's about sharing that moment with you guys, both for the sake respecting the experience of others and for the sake of accuracy, for the sake of our own integrity as writers and readers and artists.
In conclusion: we're a community of fans, and whether they've been scripted and acted or inked and bound, we know better than anyone that words have power and weight and meaning. So let's use them correctly, yeah? Let's say what we mean to say. ♥
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Date: 2011-03-15 12:42 am (UTC)I also get a little disquieted when I see so many people referring to fandom as a "female space" or automatically using "she/her" pronouns when speaking about a fan they don't know. While I do love--LOVE--the presence of a community in which like-minded women can communicate openly with each other about their interests, I don't want that to turn into an exclusionary zone or to make transgender fans feel uncomfortable by making assumptions about their gender.
That's why zie and other non-gendered pronouns rock! I always try to use those until I've ascertained someone's gender for sure.
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Date: 2011-03-15 12:50 am (UTC)I love having my eyes opened to knew things, so thanks. :)
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Date: 2011-03-15 12:53 am (UTC)Thank you for bring up this point again. It's something I think of every now and then when I see the word genderswap thrown around. I hope people will read this and read
(And if gets people think about the divide between the two concepts then even better - it's an important thing to think about, particularly on the internet.)
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Date: 2011-03-15 12:57 am (UTC)(In other news, this story I'm writing you has gotten OUT OF CONTROL, I apologize profusely :D)
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Date: 2011-03-15 12:56 am (UTC)Will try to be more aware of this, and I appreciate that you brought it up.
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Date: 2011-03-15 12:59 am (UTC)Hell, I didn't even know what cisgender meant until I read this. YAY FOR LEARNING SOMETHING NEW! I don't even know what gender I am. Half the time I feel like a girl and half the time I feel like a guy trapped in a girl's body. Weird, huh? Bisexual woman, married with a kid and not completely sure of my gender. I try not to label it either way. I just kind of...exist. :P
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Date: 2011-03-15 01:02 am (UTC)Hooray for learning, bb! And hooray for existing and identifying in whatever way feels best for you ♥
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Date: 2011-03-15 01:01 am (UTC)And thanks for the link, I'll read it after I get some sleep.
Edited because it's 2am and I can't spell well in English anymore, apparently.
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Date: 2011-03-15 01:11 am (UTC)I'm not sure that the term "genderswap" is all that bad, because I'm not sure that "sexswap" actually has a referrent. The distinction between "sex" and "gender" (when referring to humans) is quite recent and still a bit muddy, not least because of the contortions people will go to, to avoid saying "sex".
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Date: 2011-03-15 01:32 am (UTC)And I am, of course, aware that the distinction between gender and sex can be a muddy one--thus the disclaimer around the definitions included, and, to a certain degree, thus the point of the post. The distinction is being made at least in part because it's needed for folks whose gender doesn't align with their sex; in making that distinction clearer, the experience and explanations of feeling that divide can be made easier on those dealing with it.
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Date: 2011-03-15 01:23 am (UTC)(If I can bother you to clarify something - if it's an AU where a male character was born physically female and identifies as such, that's genderbend, right? Since it's a change of identity?
And I noticed your friend said he didn't like that kind of fic, but I wasn't sure if it was a personal taste thing or something that he thought shouldn't exist on principle. Do you happen to know?)
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Date: 2011-03-15 01:46 am (UTC)THANK YOU.
So stories where, I don't know, Arthur from Inception wakes up as a woman, or Kono from Hawaii 5-0 wakes up as a man? Unless you're also addressing a shift in gender identity (which, by the way, is something I personally would love to read), these are sexswap stories, not genderswap stories.
Okay, so. The thing is, I'm not trans, so I'm wary of sounding like I speak for trans people. But for what it's worth, my understanding (and I welcome correction too, of course) is that it's frowned upon to describe someone as a "woman" if they in fact identify as a man, or vice versa. Like, if I hear, "Arthur from Inception wakes up as a woman," I'm going to be thinking that Arthur now identifies as female, with either female sex, in which case she's cis, or male sex, in which case she's trans -- in other words, either true genderswap, or genderswap or sexswap at once. If you wish to describe sexswap without genderswap, I believe a better way to say that would be something like, "Arthur wakes up as a trans guy."
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Date: 2011-03-15 02:10 am (UTC)Anyways, as a trans* person who's not involved enough in fandom to start these kinds of discussions or really participate in them, but involved enough for it to matter to me, thank you :D
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Date: 2011-03-15 02:24 am (UTC)I, too, thought "ho crap! How did I miss that?!" I've studied the difference between gender and sex in classes before and it's an issue that I feel very strongly about but the disparity between the term "genderswap" and what fandom was using it to refer to just didn't register at first.
See, I grew up in a really conservative Christian family that views anything outside of a heterosexual, cisgendered perspective (for lack of a better word) was wrong and sinful. That never has and never will sit right with me and I could go on and on about how it's caused me a great deal of grief and feelings of shame and isolation...but it's beside the point and I digress.
What I really wanted to say is: I am so glad to have found a community -even one that's
juston the internet- of like-minded people who are so open and willing to discuss these issues and perspectives with such care and respect.Yours and iambickilometer's posts bring up such good food for thought! Thanks for (re)opening up my eyes! ♥
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Date: 2011-03-15 02:36 am (UTC)Christ you're good with words. Thank you.
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